Created: 25 January 1999
Modified: 20 January 2006

Laves phonetics

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Suggested transcription conventions

These keyboarding conventions have been developed by Barry Alpher in studying the Athima notes.
transcription conventions
keyboard Laves’ handwriting
r (glide) printed lc "r"
rr (flap) script lc "r", 
u small uc "u"
e lc epsilon
v shwa symbol, 
: (length) .  single raised postcript dot
dj dj
ny nj
ng engma, 
th subscripted (dental) "t"
dh subscripted (dental) "d"
d2 "d" with a line through the loop
nggy nggj, as in Athima wuinggjinba ‘red kangaroo’, poss. /nyg/

Laves' notes on transcription

In his first notebook (August 1929), Laves has 9 pages of notes (numbered 92 to 100 in AIATSIS MS 2188) which Laves apparently made at Sydney from a booklet
Phonetic transcription and transliteration : proposals of the Copenhagen conference, April 1925.
Oxford : Clarendon Press, 1926.

His notes include notations for vowel length, stress, tone ("not . like Sapir"), syllabic & non-syllabic, voice & voiceless, nasalization, labialization, various series of consonants

Laves' notes on orthography

Laves stayed 6-8 March 1931 at the Grosvenor Hotel, Adelaide, on his way by train from Perth to Sydney
[information from Prof. I McBryde from Laves' receipts].
In Adelaide Laves consulted the Reuther mss.and made brief notes including:
Phonetics are not too
bad although the distinction
I object  to    ( r = r
           ( rr = ?
= ng
Laves made a further note after meeting Norman B Tindale:
Phonetic discussion with
Professor Ross-Herbert?
& Mr. Tyndale
Prof. is classically trained
& also interested in Provence
phonetics. Pretty bad
dj as in judge _ !
needs wholesale remodelling.
Leaving a copy of my
phonetic schema with
them and have discussed
phonetics at length with
Tyndale.  Curious how
G.L. should speak so
authoritatively! vielleicht
ein wenig zu fest aufgetreten*
but no use in wasting
time on endless arguments
à la standard gauge.
Laves notebook 2.27
"25 February 1931 - / Albany / Adelaide / Sydney"
? a lower-case script r; these pair of r's are in Tindale's chart
? this has to be Prof. JA Fitz-Herbert, Professor of Classics 1928-1957 at University of Adelaide
† a tailed-z, as in azure
* perhaps came on too strong [translation provided by LA Hercus]

Tindale's chart of "Gerhardt Lavis's Phonetic System"

Cf. NB Tindale note on Laves

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